Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 20 2009 @ 03:24 PM CDT

Dale,

I haven't heard much buzz in your "virtual living room" from your "virtual guests" regarding the Village putting together a proposal to provide police service to the City. Is this something that the City requested to see, or is the Village putting it together in hopes of making a sale?

So if that would happen, the Fire service would be through the City, the Police service through the Village, the building inspections for the village would be contracted through the city, and a few other items would be shared... but the communities would still be separate.

When will Pewaukeeans learn that the City is the yin to the Village's yang; the City's Joanie to the Village's Chachi, the City's Paris Hilton to the Village's venerial disease? Some things are just meant to be together - and there's no use denying it or fighting the inevitable.

So Pewaukeeans, lets light some candles, throw on some Barry White, and let's go get our merge on.

Duke LaCrosse, Pewaukeeans for a Pewaukee Without Borders (P.F.A.P.W.B)

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Authored by: dale on Friday, March 20 2009 @ 03:34 PM CDT

To the best of my knowledge, the City did not ask for the Village to provide Police services for the City.

I agree that for many reasons the City and the Village are intertwined, much like Yin and Yang. But to some, I think it is less of a Joanie and Chachi and more of a Hatfield and McCoy.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Friday, March 20 2009 @ 09:40 PM CDT

Not so fast here now. See below from our State Rep Rich Zipperer's state boondogle report. If this passes, our funding thing is going to be out of kilter. Some sharp pencils are going to be needed as well as complaining to our State boondoglers. It will be time for us to break out our checkbooks, with a smile.

"While state spending overall will greatly increase under Governor Doyle's budget (to the tune of a 7.7% overall increase), one area that does see real cuts is aid to cities, counties, towns and villages. Undoubtably, the Governor expects his cuts will be made up for by property tax increases. The cuts, however, are far from uniform across the state, and an analysis of the numbers shows Waukesha County coming up on the losing end.


This week the non-partisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau announced how state aid changes will impact communities throughout Wisconsin, and the percentage of the cuts to Waukesha County communities are exponentially higher than the rest of the state. While counties that house bigger cities like Green Bay and Milwaukee take relatively minor cuts in municipal aid such as 1.6%, and 0.4%, respectively, aid to Waukesha County gets slashed by a whopping 15%. Evidently, Governor Doyle sees Waukesha County as an ATM for the rest of the state.


Breaking the figures down even further, we can see just how our individual communities are being treated within the Governor's proposed budget:


* While Chippewa Falls gets a minor 0.3% cut, the Village of Pewaukee gets cut by 4.7%;

* Oshkosh only sees a 0.5% cut, while the Town of Brookfield gets a 12.1% cut;

* Green Bay only sees a 0.5% cut, while Lisbon gets cut by 8.8%;

* Superior only gets cut by 0.3%, while Sussex takes a 9.8% cut;

* While Beloit takes a minor cut of 0.2%, Elm Grove sees a 12.4% cut;

* Eau Claire gets a mere 0.8% cut, while City of Brookfield gets cut by 12.4%;

* And, while Milwaukee has a 0.2% cut, the City of Pewaukee gets cut by a staggering 15%!"


Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 23 2009 @ 08:16 AM CDT

Dale,
There are only 2 possibilities for your response:
1) You are not being truthful. 2) The mayor has completely pulled the wool over the eyes of the common council.

Which is it?

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Authored by: dale on Monday, March 23 2009 @ 09:28 AM CDT

I meant what I wrote. To the best of my knowledge, the City did not ask for the Village to provide Police services for the City. If that means I have been hoodwinked, shame on me.

Why is it though, that you cannot believe that members of the Village Board could have the idea themselves, without a request from the City? It sounds like the idea was to offer an arrangement similar to the contract for Fire and EMS that is currently in place, but with the Village providing the service to the City. Why is it out of the realm of possibility that a Village Trustee could come up with that idea?

Why is it that you think that the Mayor and the Common Council would try to oust the PD in some sort of underhanded way?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 23 2009 @ 09:47 AM CDT

Wondering out loud...some of our Village Trustees feel that the City if gouging us for the cost of fire/rescue services and have been very vocal and adament of said costs...could this be a "quid quo pro" thing for us to gouge the City for police services...and then everything is equaled out? Food for thought. Politics make for strange bedfellows.

Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 23 2009 @ 01:13 PM CDT

Maybe it's just me, but now that Bach's gone, I don't feel the need to
dismantle our police department anymore.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 25 2009 @ 07:07 AM CDT

Dale,

Last week while sailing my sloop through the Adriatic Sea, I had a revelation. What if the City of Pewaukee merged with the Village, but didn't stop there... what if we "merged" with Hartland, and then Sussex, then Delafield... and continue on and on. Except they wouldn't be "mergers" in the true sense of the word... they'd be more like hostile take-overs. Nothing beats a coup d'etat to expand your boundaries and usurp power!

As a part-time military strategist, I would suggest not crossing 94 into Waukesha. I would like to see Pewaukee control the entire Hwy 16 corridor, instead.

Dale, I've assembled a scale model of the municipalities on a large table at my office. I'd like for you to stop by so I can run a couple offensive military scenarios past you and see what you think.

Duke LaCrosse, President, Pewaukeeans for a Pewaukee without Borders

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, March 25 2009 @ 11:33 AM CDT

Being ahead of the curve as I usually am, with all this talk of fire department mergers, etc..., lets have a merger of all of the lake country police departments. We have more police chiefs, captains, lieutenants, sergeants, detectives and indians per square mile out here than anywhere else in Wisconsin to say nothing of squad cars, fire power, computers and all that associated police equipment. IMO, we have enough resources to rival that of a army in a 3rd world country right at our finger tips.

Having one large department (LC Metro PD) would save millions per year with less "brass" and would improve services for everyone and have more indians on the road. Everyone would be a winner.

You know, I bet we need a study on this. Break out the consultants and the $$$.

I wonder if we have any politicos with big balls who will step up and get the ball rolling.

Andy Mueller, For a better Pewaukee

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Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, March 26 2009 @ 03:31 PM CDT

Andy,

I hate to break it to you, but i think we have a better chance of getting the water tower painted, or electing Duke mayor...

LCPD is good in theory though.

Maxwell Power, VP of Keepin' it Real

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, March 29 2009 @ 10:32 PM CDT

Duke, I think that you're wrong. It won't be until after the tower is repainted, it may be after it has been repainted at least twice.

Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village

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Authored by: Anonymous on Saturday, March 28 2009 @ 10:23 PM CDT

All this talk about merging police departments, merging communities, contracting police services, disbanding police departments etc,, I know it makes for great debate and even better gossip. Having said that, have any of you considered the fact there are men and women working for both agencies that put their lives on the line for the rest of us every day? We make light of the situation and use this very website to prove how smart we all think we are. For those of you who apparently consider yourself so smart I would like to point out a small fact. I may be wrong (I dont claim to be or act smarter than I am) but the way I see it the City could not contract with the Village for police services even if they wanted to. Apparently the state of WI seems to think there is a bit of hierarchy involved in these matters. The way I see it (please check state statutes for yourself) a village can pay a city for police services. A city can pay another city for police services, or a city can pay the county for police services but a city can not pay a village (contract with the village) for police services. Oh heck, I am sure I am wrong, after all wouldnt this little legal technicality be caught by now? I am sure the village trustee that proposed this would have been corrected by the village attorneys. Anyways, I figure this would give Duke something to talk for a bit ???

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 30 2009 @ 07:33 AM CDT

Dear Anonymous City of Pewaukee Police Department Employee:

Thank you for the "shout-out" in your post. Whether its through my never-ending philanthropy, my numerous World Record Hot Air Balloon attempts, or just here in Dales virtual living room, I always enjoy being recognized. However, I wish I, or another "Dale Noll Virtual Living Room Guest", did suggest to contract with the Village for police protection - because then your post would actually make sense.

You see, it was not the work of Mighty Duke LaCrosse, the Charasmatic Dale Noll, or even the Well-Spoken Andy Mueller who came up with the idea to have the City be protected by the Village. If you read and comprehend the above posts, it apparently was the Village Trustees (according to Dale Noll) who are pursuing this possible contract.

Duke LaCrosse will state, for the record, He is against any more contracted services between the two communities. He is for the merger of the communities as a whole. So, Anonymous, if a merger does go through, and you are the low man/woman on the totem pole, you better make sure you have some good blackmail audio recordings to help secure your position on the newly merged police force.

Duke LaCrosse, President - Duke LaCrosse Charities LLC, Inc.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 30 2009 @ 09:29 AM CDT

Duke, i posted this some time ago, well before the village was talking about it, i think.

Authored by: Anonymous on Thursday, January 22 2009 @ 08:25 AM CST

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I think that we should not be in any hurry to hire a new chief. No harm in letting things settle for a while. I also agree with a prior poster that the door may be open to combing the police department with the village department, if they are willing. I see no need for two sets of overhead and the idea of one department operating in a cirlcle around the other department makes no sense to me. If it makes sense for the park department, the library, the building inspector and the fire department, then perhaps it should be considered for the police department.

I would think that such a combination would be very involved and could take some time to work out, but that one of the stumbling blocks would be which Chief do you get rid of. Not a problem right now.

Rick Carr

In this i refer to a prior poster, so my thought wasn't original, guess that means that i don't need to worry about thinking i am all that smart.

And.. i'm sure that it could be done in a fashion that it would retain the good offficers "who risk their lives everyday". I know they do, have done it myself, but isn't that laying it on just a little thick?

Rick

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 30 2009 @ 11:01 AM CDT

The anonymous poster makes a good point, but one for which I'm sure
our legal eagles can construct a work-around. Anyway, two questions I
have are the following:

How well is the department functioning with Capt. Meister in charge?

Could the money we're saving by not having a chief come anywhere
close to covering the cost of getting rid of the last one?

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 30 2009 @ 10:34 PM CDT

Rick

Just to clarify, the Building Inspector is a contracted service. So is the Fire Department. The City dictates how much the village will pay us. There is no partnership there.

The Library is pretty much a 67%City/33% Village funded partnership, but neither commuity has anything to say about how they spend the money they are given from the taxpayers of either community. State law gives the Library Board a free hand in dispersing those funds.

In the Park Department the fees collected for renting out various parks are retained by the community the park is in. When the city (over)paid for the Lindsay Road land, at a cost of $2.6 M that cost was born by the City of Pewaukee taxpayers. The only things we split with the village are the employee and maintenance costs.

What we have right now is more of an agreement to share expenses than it is a partnership. I totally understand why the village feels they are being shortchanged. They have no control over any of the agreements we have.

The city has taken the bully route, and it's basically take it or leave it. If the village doesn't like the cost we charge for fire service, building inspections, or what it's going to cost to maintain our new 60 acre Sports Complex they can drop our agreements, and find a new supplier or go it alone.

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Authored by: Anonymous on Tuesday, March 31 2009 @ 07:54 AM CDT

Thank you for your clarification on these items. i agree with your assessment that the city has taken a bullly type approach to these matters in the past, however, since the change in administration, it is my hope anyway that the City's tone toward these agreements has become more reasonable. There is some evidence of that in the City's approach to dealing with the villages' concerns on the fire department costs and in the co-operation shown in the recent merger studies.

Rick

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Authored by: Anonymous on Monday, March 30 2009 @ 11:33 AM CDT

Since you seem to have some insight on this State Statue thing, how about quoting us the SS numbers and/or post a pdf of them? That way, we can all become ed-u-cated in this matter. Unfortunately, I don't have a set of them and don't have time to go the library right now.

Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village

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Authored by: Anonymous on Wednesday, April 01 2009 @ 11:14 AM CDT

Hijacking this thread....since members of the CPPD monitor this forum, and being curious in this election season, I'd like to know which Supreme Court candidate does the CPPD support...given ads running on the radio saying that many law enforcement Sheriff's, Chiefs, Indians and their labor organizations support Abrahamson. Its a local truth in advertising moment.

Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village, election observer

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Authored by: Anonymous on Sunday, April 05 2009 @ 12:16 PM CDT

Hijacking this thread a 2nd time...I see in da Journal that our former Village Engineer/Administrator, Dave Kluge just died at 76. IRRC, he was our first full time Village person to do some of our Engineering/DPW and kinda fell into what passed for an administrator in those days ( early 1970s ). Seems to me that he had worked for Graf-Anhalt-Schlomer Engineering before coming to us. After he had left us, Frank Paulus was hired and served us for several decades before the winds of change blew thru town ( like it does everywhere ). Dave was a kind of serious guy, but he treated me right.

Andy Mueller, Pewaukee Village

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